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Chris: [00:00:02] Today's episode, episode zero. It was never really meant for public consumption, but fuck it. Shoot. First aim later, as they say this was supposed to be a test of sorts, we decided we wanted to do audio only for the meantime while this whole coronavirus thing fucks off. So coming up in today's show.
We just cause why it's taken us six months to release any content at all, to chat about how we met. We thought it was a good idea for a therapist and his actual client to bear it all on the internet. I introduced myself, I introduced Knoll the therapist. Let me introduce Dan, our producer. We talk about why it's okay.
Not to be ready are perfect. And a few more miscellaneous conversations before we start. Just want to remind you to show exists for you. So please join the conversation by subscribing on Apple podcasts on YouTube or following us on Spotify or taking out our website@onedmcpodcast.com for more content.
[00:01:00] Jump out the bed. I got up. He's the courtesy to sun, to the coast. I got my morning cup of butter. So be the most. If you got a problem or a squabbling or an issue, you can talk it out. Stretch your legs about fact. Cause we can walk it out cold, cold days, no race. What you talking about? USB looking both ways with thoughts about, Oh, pray for your peace of mind PCRs and the peace of mind.
That was me before I keep ignoring it to keep it alive. Now the dark makes way for the shot. Hello, and welcome to the one DMC podcast. A show about a book guy with depression and his actual psychotherapist, where we discussed the mind, the body and everything in between I'm Chris. And this is, this is Knoll.
And today in episode zero, we're just going to have a quick chat, discuss where we are, why it's taken us the bones of six months to produce no content and not start. And you know, what are we going to do going forward?
[00:02:00] So to start, I really want to just introduce no, because I think he is integral to the whole show.
He is the point of the show, I believe. And. He genuinely is my psychotherapist. So maybe six months ago or eight months ago now we had the the great idea to start a podcast together. We have had many, many sessions probably for four or five years now. And in those sessions, a lot of learnings have happened and a lot of resolutions have been formed.
And I certainly have changed over time and that's really down to, to know his process. And everything that we've done together. So, no, now's your chance to perhaps introduce yourself. You know, why did you decide to come on here? You know, what did I do to convince you? What is your hopes for the show?
And you know, maybe tell us a little bit about the type of therapy you do and your, your own approach. Yeah,
Noel: [00:02:53] thanks, Chris. As I, as Chris said, I'm Chris as psychotherapist and in general, I'm a psychotherapist [00:03:00] currently living in the, on the sunshine coast in Queensland and moved over here, but a year and a half ago.
Why did I want to do this? It was something that I was thinking of in general, because I suppose it's great to see clients one-to-one I love it. It's absolutely. It's amazing. Quote unquote job. But it was something that I wanted to do was trying to reach that wider audience and kind of make things more accessible to people.
So it was some that I was thinking about myself anyway. And then when Chris brought it up, it was funny. I think I can remember when you, you said I have an idea and that Jungian synchronicity that we always talk about kind of came off of my mind and you said, well, it was, and I said, that sounds fantastic.
And then here we are in the blink of an eye. Yeah, it's. It's it's a job that's that I'm really, really passionate about. And I think that, I hope that comes across in my work because it's something that's, you know, it's touched my life, you know, anxiety, depression, all these different mental health challenges.
And that, like I said, specifically with one-to-one clients, that's something that I wanted to do, [00:04:00] but it was something that was just. Especially with COVID happening down as well. That was a really kind of driving force as well as being far from home. And, you know, not just for people in Ireland, obviously people in Australia or anywhere in the world to really just to give some little things out, those little nuggets, those little things that I, that I talk about with, with clients, just to give that out for that wider audience.
So they're able to get something and. Gets them thinking gets them thinking in a, in a healthy way, gets them challenging their own parts, gets them challenging themselves. And I think that's what we want to do. And it's, it's doing that in a way that we create a community. I think that's really important to us as well that there's.
That does a togetherness there. It's been really interesting working with Chris in this, in this way. And, you know, and as we work professionally together as client and therapist, but then also working professionally in this way, it's been fantastic meeting Dan and working with Don and then working as a team and you know, keeping trying to keep each other on our toes and trying to figure out our own kind of passion and her way of [00:05:00] working trying to figure out and get more comfortable with.
Talking in front of the camera and just before we came on here, I just absolutely froze. And it just goes to show you it can happen to the best of us. What's your look? What can we do start
Chris: [00:05:11] using it?
Noel: [00:05:11] I'm Dan,
Dan: [00:05:12] by the way. Hello. I'm the, I'm the guy in the chair. I do the. I do the
Chris: [00:05:18] Googling and he makes us, he makes us our January.
Yeah. Very important to, to show that I'll introduce you in a second. Yeah, I just want to, I want to jump in with a Knoll for a second on, you talked about why we did it. Okay. But I have to kind of preface this conversation with why I chose to ask you in the first place You know, obviously you're my therapist and availability, bias being what it is.
I know you, I know your approach. I know of other approaches. I've only had one other therapist in my lifetime. And that was CBT based. Yours is person [00:06:00] centered therapy, perhaps more of an integrative approach. You do, you kind of span across lots of different, different disciplines, but the one thing that I find interesting about it's like a therapy is that a lot of the success of it.
If you look across qualitative analysis, across different papers and stuff, a lot of it's down to the relationship between the therapist and the person receiving therapy.
I've heard it different therapists before, and I stopped therapy because it wasn't that I didn't feel that I was getting any value from the process, but I didn't value the relationship and the way I value my relationship with you. And, you know, I've told you many times, I think that you know, I don't believe in, in any metaphysical or I'm not religious, but I think like something brought me to you and you to me, and, you know, you've stopped me from doing some, some stupid stuff over the past four or five years.
And the reason I think I, I resonate so strongly with your approach is that [00:07:00] I discovered very early on that, you know, all of the difficulties that I was going through psychologically. You had gone through almost worse and I always felt that there was an authenticity to what you were saying that I hadn't heard from other people.
Like you're not I would go into you and say no, and I've been reading about this thing. And you know, young says that, you know, I have a an animal, a female personality, and I think that's, what's coming on your actress, you know? Shut up, stop talking about books for a second. Let's talk about you and what you're feeling and the emotions let's, you know let's talk about the emotions.
You're feeling the loss behaviors, actions, et cetera. So you taught me not to use someone else's vernacular and to use my own. I think that came from a place where you yourself had to learn that. And I picked it up really fast that you. Didn't want me coming in, you know, spouting [00:08:00] BS are, are presenting myself you know, in a way that wasn't true, because I think one thing that I've learned is that I went in with being one person or presenting a person acting a certain way and realized, you know, fairly early on, maybe a year into it a year or two into it that I was lying to myself and I was lying to you too.
And I was getting nothing from our experience other than learning, learning that. So the reason I think I asked you are the reason I know I asked you was because you're very authentic in the way you come across, you know, you have felt the pain that I was trying to explain to you. You know, when you.
Speak about my experiences to me. I feel like you're speaking from your own experiences and you're trying to cut through all of the chaff and, you know, the veneer of perfection that might happen between a client and a therapist. And you're trying to say, just listen, you know, I've been there. You know, your lowest [00:09:00] low is probably not as low as my lowest low.
So just take it for granted that what I'm telling you is, is real and authentic and, you know, try your best to listen. So when I was thinking about the idea, cause I've, I've wanted to do something with this for a very, very long time. You know, if I think back maybe since I was 20 or 21, when I started listening to podcasts, And a lot of things stopped me from doing that.
But chiefly was my, my main business which is property investor. And me turning 30 was the first time in my life that I thought, you know, temporary, I've never really thought too far ahead. And I know normally don't think I'm not nostalgic. So I don't really think too far back in the past. Unless, you know, we're, we're doing it for a purpose and there there's intentionality behind it.
So turning 30, I thought about, you know, what do I want to do? You know, I'm going into a a new decade and I'm going to, you know probably would consider attitude. You know, [00:10:00] my, my twenties are behind me. I'm going into my thirties when I think my self actualizing thinking about myself as an adult, I think of myself in my thirties, what am I going to do?
And I want to do something that, you know, the three things that I thought it told you about that something that scares me. So I think that I've always wanted to do and something, you know, charitable. And so I think that scares me is, is this to the art, you know, putting yourself out there on, you know, social media, in any form, long form, short form, whatever scared me.
And I felt that doing this with you, we were doing sessions anyway. You know, we were having these types of conversations anyway, and that vulnerability I felt would translate well to other people. And when I came up with the idea, I thought, you know, should I ask someone with notoriety or fame to do it with me?
You know, then I thought, no, that would be absolutely ridiculous. The authenticity of this is that okay. I suffer [00:11:00] with depression or I live with depression. I don't like using the word suffer and you are my actual therapist. So you have seen me in, you know, probably four or five different lights since we met.
I met you wearing a suit. You know, you always mock me about the Jeff Bezos thing, you know, and mockery is prior to what, what we do together, you know? And, you know, I went through different iterations of, of Chris. And now I am the Chris that, you know, today, you know, in 2021. So I said, okay, the best thing I could do is to get an old come on here, because he's not your typical therapist.
You know the preconceived notions of a therapist are, you know, Tweed jacket and sitting on a chaise lounge. And, you know, you know, talking about our childhood. I don't think you ever really asked me about my childhood until. You know, maybe the last 12 months maybe it's in small segments of our conversations, but mostly it was about me and how I was feeling in that, [00:12:00] in that moment.
So I said, okay, now is the guy to do this with, and I, I remember ringing you up cause I was at the side of building constructing and I rang you up outside of Topaz. And I said, no, I've got this idea. You know, what don't we record our therapy sessions. And to be fair to you, you said when we can, you know, I'm professionally speaking, I can't really record your, you know, your deepest, darkest secrets, Chris, and you know, let you put that on the internet.
I don't think that'd be fair to you or or to me professionally. So, you know, we decided to maybe do a show and, you know, There've been many ideas have gone into this point, perhaps too many ideas. And we can talk about that later. So I, I want you to maybe speak about your approach to therapy because it's different than anyone I've spoken to as a therapist.
And it's different than the therapy that I've had before, which was CBT based. As I said,
Noel: [00:12:53] the, yeah, it's. It's a person centered based [00:13:00] integrative approach to therapy. So what that, as I, as I often say to people, what the hell does that mean? So basically there's a guy called Carl Rogers and he was the first.
Therapists that I are a psychotherapist or a psychologist, or kind of book into this kind of whole world that I would have read, or can't really, really came across. And, but it would keen interest. And he was very much about the relationship. If you get a good relationship between the client and the therapist.
Everything else will flow from that. And he has the main things for, for that approach are the three core conditions of congruence, empathy, and unconditional positive regard. So basically I see you as a human, so it doesn't matter what you come in to see me as I genuinely congruently. See you. I hear you unconditional positive regard.
Doesn't matter. What's going on once you've done, whatever it is. And then empathy. Is that I will feel this with you, but it won't get lost in it with you. And I'll be kind of that that kind of Rocky can lean against or grab onto or hold onto. [00:14:00] And that was, it was, it really resonated with me. And the thing that I found with, with it though, was that it can get a little bit stale.
And it's kind of almost like. You know, to use an analogy as I sometimes most of the time do it's like when father was standing at the front door saying, Oh, Mrs. Tori, will you answer the front door? It's like, well, if I'm there and if I have something that I think will, you will really help you, I'll give it to you.
It's never about me telling you what to do or anyone what to do. It's not my, it's not my job. And it's certainly not my right to do that. It's your life. You go and live it. But what I will do is say, well, this is what I find youth has, you know, being useful for me or for other people or books or whatever it is, right.
Throw it out there and you can have a look at it. So that's where I saw the kind of bridge the gap, Dan, from person-centered therapy, which is very much kind of how are you, I'm letting the client talk, which is really does. Like, there's a lot in that, but it's just, just to help things along. If people want to be helped along.
That's the thing as well. [00:15:00] It's acknowledged that what does the person want in front of me today? Then that's where I'll bring in stuff like CBT, I suppose it does. There's lots of different therapies. Hence it being called integrative therapy. I think technically there's over 700 different types of therapy at the moment.
They all simmer down to like three or four, I think, five at the maximum, but there's just lots of different kinds of little nuances to them. And that's the reason why I did that really was. Because that's what I found really useful for me. And I stepped back and I saw that that's what really, really worked.
Cause they had a purist person centered therapist. Again, it really, it was, it got me to a point, but that's all it was ever going to get me to a point. Some people that's all they need and that's, that's fine. And that's the way I'll, I'll work with clients. I was like, well, what do you need? Because it's, it's about me fitting to them.
I think that's really, really important to work around them and give them what they need. So that's. Yeah, so I suppose that's the way I work. And part of the reason why I work is that it really just [00:16:00] that's what really I found really worked for me was because it's not this life isn't like that what I found anyway, life isn't like where you're just right.
You have to do it one way and that's it. Was I kind of, I kind of lived the life later and that's what messed me up anyway. It's about adapting. It's about growing. It's about change and it's about getting to it's, you know, it's like when you're in primary school, you're the King of primary school. And then all of a sudden you're, you know, the first year, you're the bottom of the wrong and high-scale at our secondary school.
And then you think you're up and then you're down again and you think you're open you're down again. There's constant change. You talked about it. There was four or five days probably. Tan or there's lots of different types and versions of Chris. There's lots of different types of versions of Nolan and Dan of everyone.
So to get through all that, I think there's lots of different psychotherapeutic approaches. There's lots of different ways of doing that. Does it, there's a big part of the way I work is true education. And I think that's really, really important. And of course, that kind of age old [00:17:00] outages that way, whatever you said Teach them on how to fish instead of just giving them, giving him a fish because.
I'm not going to be there and I don't want to be there for a person all of the time, because it's not healthy. It's not good for them. It's not good for me. It's not good for the relationship. It's not it's and it's just absolutely not good for them. And it's just far nicer. If you're able to kind of go, Oh, I did that, did that myself.
And yes, it's one of my favorite things that I get to see. That's why I love the job so much. It's social proof because I'm really like, I'm like a part of someone's life. But just from the air, just from the background, then I get to check in. I can get to see it. And when, you know, someone might text me or they call me in the next session.
Oh, I did this. And I tried that. And I think you were saying, yeah, it wasn't that, but that got me thinking and I go, I changed this and I did it that way. And it's great to see that it's, it's really, really nice to see how people just take that stuff. Whether they take it or not, they kind of form it into their own version and they just go off and live with themselves.
It's also one of the hardest parts of the job actually is you often just wonder, how is that person doing? I hope they're doing [00:18:00] well. And that's all you can do, really. You know, it's, it's just the nature of us. You know, Then also with the way I work, how it's formed. So the education has it. That's a really, really important part to me.
Are you try to, I tried to see the principle behind specific situations in that it's like you could have a thousand different situations in a year. And instead of trying to separate, how can I figure it, that situation or that situation, you know, one number 973 situation out. If we filter it down for the most part, most of those situations have principles behind them that there's only like if you can, if you learn four or five things it's like the corner chair, many, many, here we go.
Put me on the spot. How many core corners? There's a three as the three or four are the main color is yellow. Red or whatever the colors are. You can make items, I'd imagine hundreds of thousands of different quarters. And that's the same kind of principle there of, if you look for what's behind it. [00:19:00] You can go into more detailed.
So as I often say to people, the specifics are irrelevant to a point what's the principle behind it. Now I'll use specific examples and real life examples because as Chris kind of alluded to that's, it's whole important to be real because you can read all the stuff in textbooks, all you want. I was like, Oh yeah, but how does that actually transfer into real life?
And I think that's really important so that it's using and most of the time I'll sometimes use my own personal examples of what the best ones are using. You know, my clients homework with areas up because it means something to them. You know, that's really, really important that, that this actually means something to me and I get it and I understand it.
And then I can also see actually how I dealt with my mom when I was 15. That's how we can deal with this situation here in work, when I'm trading or when I'm cleaning this floor or when I'm, you know, lodging papers in the high court, or it doesn't matter what the thing is you're doing. The principal is quite often very similar behind it, all which leads on to the other part.
And, and this is ultimately, I think the, and this is [00:20:00] basically what I'm about. And this is my solid belief is that if I look after the client, The client to look after everything else. And I think that's really important. If you look after yourself, then trust yourself to look after everything else. So how do I do that?
And that's by doing the integrative therapy, all the different techniques, the frameworks, the strategies, the tools, the, the, the going back, looking at, looking at past history. The given me given all these different examples, it's, there's so many more things to it. I'm not like it's, it's very hard to kind of just say, just to sum it up in one intro, obviously.
And then that's, I think at people you're, you're all gonna. You're you're going to hear over time. And yeah, you're just going to hear over time, more from me and more of the way I work and kind of makes sense over more and more over time. But ultimately that's what I'm about is just if I just get you in a good place and then you'll look after everything else, I think that's really, really important.
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And we curated notes from us. Your shit hot world-class hosts. Now back to the episode. Are you, are you aware of the ripple or butterfly effect of your work? Do you know? I'll explain that. So it's more and more prevalent now for people to openly speak about their mental and physical health. Okay. So people will, you [00:22:00] know, it's not commonplace when you ask someone how were used for them to say.
I am feeling very low or I feel sad right now, where am I? I'm very angry at this moment in time. And they can't, they can't intelligently explain their emotions, you know, that's, interoception, I think, with what they're feeling in their body. But a lot of people that I've come across, perhaps it's because I'm so willing to be open about it.
We'll talk to me about their mental health and the butterfly effect of doing what you're doing is you have contact with, you know, Over your career. It will be thousands of people. Okay. And those it's almost like the, the exponent effect for the virus. You know, the, the coronavirus, those people come in contact with five other people who come in contact with 20 other people who, so the butterfly effect of you and your work with me is that, and this is really why I wanted to do the show.
I will go then and speak candidly. About what [00:23:00] I've learned about myself to other people they may pay heat to that. They may take something from that they may, you know, I can't remember how many people I've told about the triumvirate, the Carol Rogers piece with, with positive self regards empathy and Congress, because it's essential to how I view.
Psychology and how I view the South now and how I view, like taking care of myself that I, I keep coming back to congruence. I think, I feel like that's the most cause empathy and unconditional positive regard for your fellow human being comes naturally to me. But the idea of congruence and, and, you know, the cognitive dissonance that it causes is what has caused me so much anguish.
I think, and. The ideas that we speak about and that, you know, you plant the seed in my mind that I go, the way I work is I'll go off and I'll explore and I'll read a bunch of books and, you know I'll come back to you with ideas and we'll, [00:24:00] we'll go back and forth and are usually through the prism of Chris.
You know, you know, this is going on with Chris and therefore let's explore this idea. And you kind of. You let me, I know to a point that I go off on tangents or whatever, and like, I, one minute I'm fucking reading, I'm talking about archetypes and how that's affected me and the shadow. And you're like, yeah, you know, very good, critical your what happened today.
But I then can take what I learned from our conversation and I'll explain it to. Anyone who listened and maybe then they might get therapy or maybe they won't, maybe they'll read a book that we spoke about, or maybe they will listen to this podcast hopefully, or listen to another podcast or anything else we can say, this may help you.
Do you find congruence? Because I think that individuation process is very important for people our age up to a certain age, I think because you talk to anyone who's 60 plus and they kind of have it figured out. No, they are. If they don't get accepted, They've just [00:25:00] accepted who they are and you know, their lot in life, let's say, be it good or bad, but you speak to someone from 18 to 35 and they're all was trying to figure it out or, you know, and you know, primarily trying to figure themselves out.
So the butterfly effect that I'm talking about, and I think the, the. The reason under pains way in the first place and why I think that this is necessary to do what we're doing along with everyone else who's doing what we're doing, which is, you know, speaking openly about mental health is the butterfly effect because if enough people speak openly and candidly about you know, there.
Psychology and their fallibility, you know, flaws their worries. If they learn to give are not going to protect her emotions, which not many people can do learn to introspect, then that will have a ripple effect. It will go on it'll, you know, it will be whatever the fucking opposite of a pandemic is. But a good pandemic with positive feedback loops.
[00:26:00] So that, that, you know, I think that runs off Y and I think I've introduced you, so I've done my job or you've introduced yourself now. I'm gonna introduce down the mat. So in 20. 2019. It was a summer with a mutual friend, Dan Richie, Richard, you ever listened to this? How's it going? And I went to a Party, I guess it was a barbecue in Rich's house.
And I met for the first time. All of we're just friends. Rich's my not my barber because I don't go to barber. I go to a hairdresser and he was the guy in the hairdresser and he cut my hair and we became friendly. And I met Don at this barbecue, excuse me. And he came in with. A broken nose. He clearly been beaten up.
So and he, he came with his girlfriend Katie and he walked in and, you know, I just met like one guy who was telling me he wants to be a robot and he's into transhumanism and he wants to tattoos and [00:27:00] body, his body entirely with like circuitry and
Dan: [00:27:04] circuitry. Okay. We have a various, we have a very unique friend group, I would say.
Chris: [00:27:09] Absolutely. And then Dan Roxanne. Who you'll forgive me for saying this, but he looks kind of nerdy, but he looks like he's beaten, beaten up. So I was like, what the fuck happened to this guy? And. He came over. He was like, yeah, I just did an MMA fight. Man just came back from my my second flight.
There's I've lost the fuck. This daughter gonna look worse or, you know,
Dan: [00:27:33] I certainly did not look worse yet. That was during my MMA training. And I had I had my first ever two MMA fights in one day and I lost both of them and broke my nose on toe.
Chris: [00:27:44] Well, you fucked off. I went in to the wrong weight class or something. Yeah. Yeah. That was the
Dan: [00:27:48] first time. First time I met you and I remember just thinking, like, I like.
Who's this guy, you know? And you're, you're, you're, you're a SU I felt like I remember looking at you and we were all kind of [00:28:00] having this, like, you know, like my mates and we are a hard bunch to kind of, I suppose, integrate with, if you're a new person, I'm not that we wouldn't be welcoming.
Chris: [00:28:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Dan: [00:28:11] yeah, yeah.
Like everyone's assault and just like very strange. But I remember it was like watching Chris. I don't remember just thinking he was like, A kid in a zoo. Just, I remember him just kind of like looking at everybody and being like, what the fuck is going on. I guess it was fun. But then I didn't, I've met you then, I guess what, like
Chris: [00:28:31] eight months later maybe.
Yeah. Well, I think it was like, when did Richie have his daughter?
Dan: [00:28:37] It was like, summertime. I think that barbecue was I'm gonna assume. Yeah. So it
Chris: [00:28:40] was summertime the year after, but I
Dan: [00:28:43] remember like I met, Chris was like, Chris is a cool dude. And then kinda just like, didn't hear from him. Didn't didn't, didn't see him again after that.
And then from our mutual friend mentioned earlier, he texted me one day and he's like, it was kind of, I think maybe the height of the pandemic at this point, I was out of a job and I get, [00:29:00] well, I was out of a full-time job, but I am a Twitch streamer on the side. And re Richie, Richie texted me and was like Hey man, you looking for, for a job.
I was like, yeah. And he's like, so I got this memory of my friend, Chris. Like I was like, yeah, he goes, yeah, he's looking for someone to like film his life. And I was like, well, why he's like, yeah, you just rang him. I was like, Oh, tell me about this job is a gay. He wants someone to just like, I don't really know, like.
Come around the document. This is every day. And like, I've, I've, you know, made my start in my career in as a videographer. I've worked in like many advertising agencies over the years and that so that's where my kind of background is. And he said, yeah, he's looking for someone to like, film. I think he wants to maybe do like some sort of podcast as well or something.
I was like, okay, like tell him, like, I'll give me his number or whatever. I'll text him. I can't remember how did you text me? Or I texted you, but either way we got in contact and agreed to meet open. We met up and we went for a walk. And our first year I remember I was frozen and we were sitting on his bench and I was so [00:30:00] unbelievably cold, but obviously this was not a job interview, but like the, the chat, I guess, about the job and I was so-called, but didn't want to say it.
And Chris was like, yeah, I want to do this this thing. And I need someone to kind of just like, fill my day-to-day and it's something I want to give to my kids. And I wish I could like, look back at how my dad ran. It, ran his business and I want to be able to do that. So like, yeah, we're going to be documenting my, my, my, my day-to-day life.
And I was like, Right. Like, if you want to pay someone to do that, like, I'll do that for you, you know,
Chris: [00:30:30] but
Noel: [00:30:31] can I get I'm freezing,
Chris: [00:30:33] but,
Dan: [00:30:33] Then we got onto the podcast and it kind of explained the podcast a bit, like obviously I thought it was amazing. I thought was a great idea. I don't think there, like, although mental health is something that is being talked about more and all that kind of thing.
I just think there's nothing. Quite like what you guys want to do, which is, you know, terrorist, normal dude, like all these kinds of influencers and stuff that are talking about mental health right now. It's like, I feel a lot of people can't be on the same level [00:31:00] as them, or they can't relate to them. So that's why I thought this was so interesting.
So I was like, yeah, let's, let's do it. And I guess here we are eight months later after. Battling trying to start a podcast business in the middle of a well not business, but I start trying to start a show in the middle of like the worst period of the last decade, 20 years. I don't know.
Chris: [00:31:22] But I think at least we're getting there, but I just want to, it sounds weird.
We say, well, I went and I asked you to document my life and I'm like, I think I'm Casey Neistat, but it was, I did ask. But. What I asked. I think it's a good analogy for what has happened over the last six or so months with the podcast. And it's a good analogy for therapy too. So the way I think I work, if I think, you know, metacognitively if you'd allow me to do that, I usually go from.
I will allow you to do it because you [00:32:00] have to, you have to know me, you, everyone thinking about your thoughts, but I, I go from very general ideas and it's kind of like I'm throwing darts, blowing that a dark board, and I'm looking to see what lands. No, and, and I called Nassim Taleb called it convex tinkering.
That's too complicated to go into, but I'll go through it some other time, but I'll go from very general. Then I went to you and I was like, I want to do all of this weird stuff, and I want to try this and we should try a podcast too. And we should do this, you know, follow me around, you know, first and foremost, what I wanted at the time was to.
Start a YouTube channel. That was the thing that scared me the most back in my, you know, being 30 scared me most, I haven't had social media for the last 10 or so years. But I have quietly been watching YouTube over the past year. I got into like fitness, YouTube in a big way [00:33:00] in 2019 and I wanted to do something like that.
Cause I was like, how, what, what better way to be authentic than to. Just be yourself on camera and put it on the internet. No, which was a very naive idea. You know, I have no idea about the economics of YouTube or are like, I had to download Instagram for the first time in 10 years, you know, six months ago.
And I still don't really know how to use it. I sound like an 80 year old man, when I'm talking about social media. So I went to you being like, Oh, I want all this stuff. And I knew you were like, wow, I just go out of it. But like, if he wants to pay me sure. Whatever.
Dan: [00:33:34] Yeah. I also don't want it to sound like I was like, who's this fucking guy he wants to,
Chris: [00:33:38] you know, in the room, you know?
But originally it was a boat. My day-to-day business, which, you know, we, we can go into a little bit, you know, over the course of what we're doing. I'm sure we'll talk about both throughout the podcast, but I, I am a property investor. I run a fund. It's a family office on behalf of my family and another family.
[00:34:00] And we invest in property primarily, somewhat herself as well, but 95% of our portfolio is his property. And I. Do have a yearning to, you know, my father's enigma wrapped in an enigma and I'd love to have seen him at my age, like figuring things out. And, you know, if we look at that kind of Joseph Campbell, the monomyth, the hero's journey and the call to adventure and all that kind of stuff, there are a lot of aspects of my personality that are certainly derivatives of his, or I've inherited from his, and I'd love to have gone back and said, God, that's what he was like when he was starting over the decisions he was making.
And this is the way he spoke and you know, this is how he dealt with failure and, and whatever. So that was my idea. It's still a great
Dan: [00:34:43] idea.
Chris: [00:34:46] petrified of me doing it. Cause I. I'm unfiltered usually. And I have a habit of putting my foot in it. And you know, I've never, I haven't had my own boss since I was, you know, [00:35:00] 22 or three.
I've never really had anyone other than my father that would send and, you know, Tell me what I'm saying is wrong or whatever, you know, my friends would be like, you're fucking talking shite. But I am usually loud, you know, I'm left to my own devices. So you know, everyone was like, Chris, you know, you can't be on the internet.
You know, people will basically. You know, if you went on, I had one experience with Twitter the last 10 years, and I was thinking a guy called Matt Hyack his book at the moment. It's called notes on a nervous planet. And he's talking about anxiety a lot. I think he suffered from a lot of panic attacks and, you know, suicidal ideations, et cetera.
And he's talking about panic attacks. I was trying to think, I, I, you know, tradings, it kind of accompanies depression in the way. They're they're the two are not mutually exclusive. I would say. And I was thinking of, I can remember two times I've ever had a full-on panic attack where I thought like, you know, I was having a heart attack.
One was in Spain and it happened [00:36:00] because I didn't like what I was wearing you. I was so stupid, but I was in a weird place at the time. And I remember I was in my bathroom bathroom in my apartment in Madrid and. It had like this, the whole wall was a mirror. And I just got consumed by what I looked like in that moment.
And I didn't like what I saw and I just had a, full-blown like lying on the floor, freaking out for having a panic attack. The second one was my foray into the Twitter sphere. No, forgive me. If I don't have the lexicon here for, you know, I know it's called a tweet and whatever. But I don't know what the fuck is going on on there.
All I can see, and I hear is that it is literally assessed bit of an inequity. You know, it's in Mali lives. It's a horrible place. I don't know. Maybe people have good experiences, but people just seem to be shitting on each other. Yeah. Arguing about, so I think even
Dan: [00:36:54] people who love Twitter hate Twitter, like they know.
Chris: [00:36:57] You know, I don't know, like you can only write [00:37:00] certain amount of characters, but people seem to like get, you know, a lot of words in a lot of hateful words and only went Don and I, at the time I was. Managing a student accommodation complex for a client. One of the companies in our group is a property management company and this place had gone through a really difficult time, basically the owner and whatever, how I won't go into full details, but it just, you know, burned bridges with the college and Annette kind of stuff.
And we had hired a digital American agency, really nice guys, and they were dealing with all of the, the social media and I, I didn't want to touch it. I did not use it in the first place. And they were just whole thing going on, where there was Rental inflation happening around Doblin with all of these big funds were coming in and building like these amazing student accommodation complexes, but they were charging crazy rents.
Okay. And you know you know What you pay [00:38:00] attention to you determines what you see. So, you know, at the time I, you know, everything I was seeing was about, about student accommodation. So there was a lot of media about it. And if you go into that world, you know, there's a lot of talk about rent, the inflation and the price of accommodation and Dublin entities is it is insane.
To be honest with you and all you had the job of going in and kind of turning this place around and, and whatever. And I I'd want to put the rent down with the wants to put the rent up and, you know, last minute he said, I want to put it up to what Evernote is doing. And I was like, Holy fuck. You know, this is going to be a shit storm.
So one day I was sitting on my couch here in the apartment. I downloaded Twitter and I asked the lot for the login and I was looking at like, you know, you can kind of search your own hash bag of weed or let's call it. And stuff came up and it was people dogging on, on, on other the student complex is, and I was like, Oh, dang God.
Looking older. Finally letting our place known all the work we've been doing is, is good. And 100 place like I won't name it, but they Jack up the rent. A need is the soul. And they were [00:39:00] just like, all like all over the media. I was like, yes, thankfully it's not off this time. W it's working. And at the time we hadn't increased the rent.
Philando came back later and told me he wanted to do that. So my plan was to actually put it down and, you know, I really wanted to build the bridges with the college again, because the student unions in these universities have a lot of power and, and rightly so. And I want them to build a connection with them.
And I wanted to go, he's actually really mad, actually has a podcast now. But I downloaded it wanting the details and I was looking at all this stuff and then I went, Oh, you know what? This might be interesting to like, use this as an opportunity to leverage our position and, and, you know, say that we haven't.
And at the time I was asked to keep the rent, what it was the year before. But I went into this kind of exposition of like economic theory about real and nominal inflation. And you seem
Noel: [00:39:55] like reasonable fellows. Oh my
Chris: [00:39:57] God. What happened next [00:40:00] was I love it. Next was people started, like I started getting pings on my phone and people started like tweeting it like positively retuning and being like this place, hasn't it they've actually put down the rent.
What a great idea. And then it like turned on its head, like in a split second, I went from being like artists. Twitter is great. I'm going to start using, I'm going to, I'm going to start using this to getting like these personal messages or DMS or whatever they're called. And they were just. Infuriated like it was going this stuff they were saying to me and I was like, Holy shit, what have I done?
And then it started building momentum. Look, before you know, about two hours later, I had a full blown panic attack logged out. Hang on texts to guys maybe that day or the next day in American coffee being like, I'm really sorry. Do not give me change the password. Do you not give this to me again?
Because I've just, I've just on Dawn on it. The good work that we have done over the past three months or whatever,
Dan: [00:40:58] let's see that [00:41:00] I feel bad for laughing there. Cause now that I know it, you had a panic attack about it, but that story, when it was told to me was told kind of differently that you entered into an argument with two people.
Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Chris: [00:41:12] I started arguing with people then, like I started replying to that rule. Number
Dan: [00:41:16] one, you don't feed the trolls man. Oh my
Chris: [00:41:18] God. Well, I didn't know that I still don't really understand why everything is so negative online,
Dan: [00:41:25] online man. And I think there's definitely there. There's, I'd love to know, like maybe we could talk about this on a, on a future episode, but like the psychology behind, like, even me on Twitch, like I'll, I'll do something I'm there sitting there playing a kid's game.
I'll play like Minecraft or something built for children. And I have people coming into my chat and be like,
Chris: [00:41:42] you can't believe you didn't. And like, really,
Dan: [00:41:47] really like. Going for it over nothing, you know, and people just love that online. Like, you know, if you enter into Twitter, like I had to take like a good hour, like a couple of weeks ago and I just went through [00:42:00] my Twitter and I own followed and head like everything that is just spilling out negativity onto my timeline.
You know, like I, now I have what I would consider a pretty positive space, but you know, that's until I started following people,
Chris: [00:42:15] do you maintain a positive disposition despite your, you live online? You are, you are the most online person I've ever met. I'm even,
Dan: [00:42:22] I'm not even that online. You know what I mean?
That's the thing it's like, I probably come across to you as somebody who is like attached to the internet. But like, I think when you do what I do outside of this podcast, and obviously now with the podcast coming out, I'll have to do it a lot more is you would just have to be on all the time. Like I have a discord community with like nearly 300 people in it, you know, and that is.
Popping like constantly, like, you know, it's constantly this people constantly talking in it, there's chat, chatting going on. And like I, as the founder of that community have to have some sort of face in it. So I have to be there. Like I have to take time out of my day to [00:43:00] tweet, just to be seen that I'm online or other.
Oh, they're communities that I'm involved in. I take time out of my day to say hello in there, just to show that I'm still here. Cause it's all about this being online now, working online is all about staying quote unquote relevant. You know, like if you're, if you're not doing that, you're not putting in those hours, you, you start to drift off people, just forget about you, you know, it's it's but even like that, I'm not very good at it.
So I don't really spend a whole lot of time online, you know?
Chris: [00:43:26] Yeah. It scares me to death. Like, you know,
Noel: [00:43:28] they're very, very simply. That there's loads of elements to that, but very simply one of the very simple kind of parts to stuff like Twitter and different stuff like that is like, if you don't see the person right.
Of it's very easy, it's just become a number. It's just the glare that they're kind of the glass ones over the eyes. And it's like, if you got everyone that wrote all these really nasty Twitter, it's like, there he is over there going over. And I'd say that to his face. Wouldn't happen. And that's like Twitter, like all the social media, they can be fantastic things.
They can be [00:44:00] absolutely amazing things, but they're just, they're just wild at the moment because they're so they're so, so new internet is so, so new to the human race. It's brand spanking new. Yes. It's been around 20, 30, 30, 30, 30 years, whatever. But in this, in the way it is at the moment you're talking five years.
Like most of the stuff didn't, didn't even exist 10 years ago. So it's going to take people a lot of, a lot of time to kind of get used to that. But I think definitely one of the key priorities, it's just very easy to behind behind that. And like, there's a few elements to this. There's, there's an element of, that's not okay to talk to people like that.
That's not okay to be that nasty with people. There's another element of. What's going on with you? What do you need? Because clearly not all the time, a good percentage, a good percentage of the time. I'd imagine though you're missing something or there's you're missing something, some connection, something in your life that you're doing that to someone else.
Or something has happened to you that you're doing that to someone else. [00:45:00] And I think as a society comeback to the ripple effect that you were talking about earlier, Chris, that's where I do this stuff. And that's one of the, the coming back to my life when I, my own stuff and challenges with depression and anxiety or whatever it was when I talk about it.
And this was like 30, I'm trying to think. 1962, Jesus. Yeah, 19 dignity now, like 18 years ago. But now it's a different sound for that. I get used to that because I'm going to get some short yeah. Dodgy hip like 18 years ago, I would have been saying, you know, yeah, this, I had this challenge or whatever, and people say, Oh really?
You talk about that. I was like, well, yeah, why wouldn't I? And I'm like, well, what's the, well, if I change, if I would say a new say to someone else, Well, then that's great. And that's what I, at the time that's what was, I was thinking I hadn't target that in years, actually wait until he just sat it there, the ripple effect.
And then it was kind of taking out actually that's my own first experience. And that was even before me being a therapist. Maybe me being a therapist wasn't even on the radar, [00:46:00] then it definitely aware of that ripple effect. I suppose again, we'll come back to that at another point, but I think that's really important of what's going on what you need as a society, because that's how our society works.
I think that was a Greeks. It was a Greeks. Chris society who brought up with the first day anyway, that's that's rabbit hole stuff there, but that's the idea of a society is that are you, are you, do you need a bit of help yet? Come on over here. This guy needs a bit of help and you don't need help our grant your work in a way it gives you give us a shout.
If you need a bit of help, that's fine. You're all right. And I think that's really important. There's a few different kind of bodies of work to that. Where it looked that's just, no, don't go there. It's just not okay to be talking to people like that and talk about it in such a nasty way. If you've got a message, honor your message.
But so put it across in a really good way. Yeah, so that's, that can be really, really good places, but also it's really, really difficult. Do something else there. It's funny, Dan, you were saying there, I'm laughing at the situation and bought over the lateral and I knew he had a panic attack that's again, and then just linking in with the whole principal kind of thing.
That's an amazing [00:47:00] principle to have whenever you're going through shit. I always remember for the most part, again, anything I say. Comes at an asterix for the most part 80 20, kind of there's always 20% where it's just fucking solid crap, but most of the time, whatever situation you're going through now, it will be calm a story to tell whether it's in the pub whenever you're able to get to pubs again, or when you're talking to a friend or when you're talking on a podcast or whatever, it will be coma story like now.
And you're able to laugh at us. Chris, you certainly couldn't have laughed at that in that moment. Or for those days or days afterwards? Yeah. No, that's my parents
Chris: [00:47:42] that weekend and I have to go to bed yeah, on their guidance because I was on the floor having a panic attack. They've seen it happen and that's as a child.
So
Noel: [00:47:54] that's like, that just shows you, well, there you go. Look how shit and visceral and like [00:48:00] unbelievably strong, you can feel that moment, but it's having that little kind of deep down thing. It was like, yeah, but I know I'm in this now and I'm dealing with us, but having that little part of you, that's kind of saying in the background, you'll be all right.
This'll be a story that you look back on. In time and you'll be able to laugh on it. That's just, that's what came to my mind when you're talking about it then, but there's loads of different kind of parts to that then. Yeah, definitely. It's something thing to look at multiple things to look at there with social media
Dan: [00:48:25] that I think it's funny because you know, obviously there's all these things that like, you know, like obviously Chris, you haven't spent a lot of the last while online now.
I'm not really sure if, how much time you spend online, but. You know,
Noel: [00:48:38] title
Dan: [00:48:40] I internet from time to time. But like I think it's funny that this is the, this is the medium that we have now chose, chosen as a group to pursue together. And these are all like, these are all experiences that we'll have, like, there will be people that will be mean to us in our comment section of our videos and be mean towards me.
[00:49:00] It's true. But like getting, getting this as podcast off the ground has been absolutely. Mental like, Chris, do you want to take us through
Chris: [00:49:09] there? Like him lying around timeline off that analogy I was giving going in meeting Don had a bunch of ideas. Those ideas took several tangents. So we started off with just a podcast.
Very simple idea. And then, you know, I had, I had. Put the idea of following me around and creating a YouTube channel and the being for other people. I did that because I know if people were like, Chris, please, can you do something else? You know? I said, okay, I'll listen to you for, for once. And we decided to do the podcast, but I want to do a video podcast because I think the medium of video is more interesting.
And I think from a psychological perspective, there's a lot onset and a lot. Presented through body language, et cetera, which is why I was interested in that. And I also liked the after doing with [00:50:00] research, the YouTube algorithm is an interesting one and YouTube is great for search ability, et cetera, but we moved on and we were all going home, you know, bought.
You know, a lot of equipment did a lot of research. I had to go through a learning curve, how to use a camera. I'd never used a camera before. Another thing that I really didn't like until this last summer was pictures and taking pictures and you know, the idea to a selfie for me, it was just unfathomable.
You know what the point of taking a picture of yourself in a location, when you're, you're looking at location, you're not experiencing it anymore. So I had to get over this bridge of Disdain, let's say for all of these things and get myself to a point where, okay, I'm learning this stuff, we're going through to summer.
And we were kind of tipping away because I came into this I'm of the mind that my day job is incredibly stressful. And you know, there have been periods of time where I have been working on a consistent basis, you know, five to seven days a week 10 to maybe 14 hours a day. And. I had a very difficult year in, in 2020 [00:51:00] in terms of my mental health.
And I wanted something else that I could take my mind off of it, something for once that I'm doing purely for fun and purely for someone else. And, you know, we, we talked a lot about servitude. No. And how I have thought that much of my life to this point or to till till last summer was about myself and you know, my own goals and, you know, I put my blinkers on and nothing else matters other than what I'm trying to destroy for our thriving.
And I wanted to do something for other people. And I felt that the best way to do that was to Open up about my own vulnerabilities and my own mental health issues. And maybe that might help if people, you know, we, we had the whole matter of, if we can just have one person, you know, that's fantastic. I still hold hold to that.
But all of that got a little bit lost along the way, because. Coronavirus kept stopping us in our tracks. [00:52:00] Every time we had a plan put in place. So this is how we're going to get from point a to point B. The plan was interrupted by a lockdown. You know, video podcasting is difficult when you can't have a fucking guest in the studio.
You know, no, it just so happens to be on the other side of the planet. And that comes with its technical difficulties. You know, we were going through a kind of a. A branding process which went very well, but I took a period of time you know, small stuff like. I ordered a table and the table, fucking Kevin, the supply chain kept getting shot down or flat.
I don't know what was happening. You know, that wasn't coming and, you know, like we're moving into a new office for, you know, my business was moving into new office and that kept getting delayed, you know, that was supposed to happen during the summer and then October and in November. And before, you know, it's January the fifth and this is the first time we've kind of sat down and actually do this, but that's life and, you know, Oftentimes, I get [00:53:00] irascible and contiguous and you know, I'm the type I've had this conversation with my father recently, we're both entrepreneurs in a sense, and he's an incredibly optimistic, positive entrepreneur.
He believes in the kind of he's mission driven and he believes in what he's doing. And it's a joy for the process for him now. Meet them at any other day, you know, on a macro level is joyful micro. You know, you might meet them on a Monday at fucking 10 o'clock in the morning, and he's bollocking someone that doesn't seem that, that enjoyable for him, but he seems to overall enjoy it.
Entrepreneurial-ism for me is an incredibly frustrating process. It's like, I am trying to manifest things from my head into the world and, you know, it's difficult to bring people along on that journey and, you know, everyone has their own opinions and I'm uncomfortable being in a leadership position. I don't like telling people what to do, but you have to do that to get you know, something from point a to point B and there are many component parts and putting together any [00:54:00] project or any business or any startup or anything.
And. This is just a great analogy of that. You know, we started off very broad. We tried to go narrow, we went broad again, you know during the second lockdown, I think at the end of the summer, we were like, Oh, let's just do a YouTube channel instead. You know, we'll be fucking who was the guy that kept.
So I think Dan Joe Rogan there's no, no, some
Dan: [00:54:23] podcasts that called drew
Chris: [00:54:25] Daniel drew. That's what we're going to do. And Dan was like, yeah, sure. Yeah, great. You know, we're going to have to do a lot of videography, but and then that's fine. You know, if we came to realizations, are you chief? You can do realizations and then it kind of, it seems to trickle down to you guys.
And. The point we came to just before Christmas was I was having a really bad day and I went into Dan we're setting up the studio. Everything was taking longer than we were supposed to. We knew there was probably another lockdown coming. The numbers [00:55:00] were getting really high. You know, it was in the seven hundreds at the time we knew, you know, mapping our own behavior.
You know, Just extrapolate out to the whole population of Ireland, the cases we're going to get high they're out, you know, 6,000 a day at the moment. And we had produced no, no content, nothing, not an Instagram post, not at tweet, not a single video. You know, we did some videos back in October or whatever, but we weren't going to release them because they were going to launch stuff.
And down to me you know, sometimes to a fault I'm a perfectionist and it's, it's, it's a stupid trait to have because. You know, in all my other businesses, I understand that you can't be a perfectionist there's, there's a golden mean. And you know, you, you know, that whole old Voltaire thing of perfection is the enemy of good it's true.
It is true. And I have no idea what I'm doing, you know, in, in this context of putting together a podcast, Dan, I hired you because you do know what you're doing. And we still came up with all against all these issues. And it just became a very frustrating infuriating process for me. [00:56:00] And. In the room that day we just went, look, it was actually her girlfriend, Dan, that brought this point up.
Yeah. Okay. Katie said, Katie saved the day. Katie basically said, people need, you know, why are we doing this? We're doing this because people are who at a baseline would have been somewhat content in 2019 are at a baseline now of anxiety. And confusion and decision fatigue and exhaustion. And, you know, imagine people with kids know who schools are going to continue to be closed and they have to figure out work.
And, you know, we'd just kind of got into a better work schedule before Christmas and you know, that awful and people don't deal well with change. And this, you know, 2020 has been a year of constant change and difficult changes. You know, a lot of people have. Gotten to a place where they have learned a [00:57:00] lot about themselves and, and, and they have spent time in nature.
And you know, when, when you're, when the available decisions to you are, is shrunk, for some reason, people have become more grateful for what they have, know what they have. And Katie just said, You've produced nothing. You've been fucking around for six months. You've all this fancy equipment and fancy ideas.
And we were actually talking about doing some sort of giveaway for, you know, the launch talking about, well, what can we give away? You know, how much money are you going to spend on this? And we were like giving away what, you know, nobody. Is listening to you are going to listen to you in the first few months and you can't, you know, maybe two people might enter in you're giving away a fucking, you know, a few grand of a price.
It didn't make any sense. And it, it didn't make any sense. And I know that because I've learned all that stuff in, you know, the other map, which is the map of my, you know, my investment career, but it just, it didn't map to what we're doing here, because [00:58:00] this was supposed to be the fucking around fun and, you know You know, I wasn't treating it the way I would treat everything else, which is, you know processional and computational to a point.
And, you know, I'm, I'm into numbers and I'm into plans and I like writing things down, you know, it don't drive Dan crazy. But we didn't do any of that. Just does it drives everyone crazy to be honest, but we didn't do any of that. So we just said, okay, we have what we have. We can do what we can do. And we're going to go audio only.
No. And if you look at the statistics for podcasts anyway, not a lot of people watch podcasts. Most people listen while they're on the move in the car doing chores, it's kind of a passive thing. That's why long form audio has been so successful because people can do it while they're doing something else.
And it's kind of antithetical to the, you know, the ephemeral information and people are getting on a daily basis. News reels Take talk, you know, I'll never [00:59:00] understand why, why you take doc as well. I do understand why it's become so Poplar, I'll never understand why people wanted to watch 10, second videos or whatever, how long it is now, whose kids, if kids dancing.
Yeah. Oh, I was born 40. So we came to the point audio only. Brilliant. No. And then again, I went, okay. Audio only then I looked, I did all my research in audio and I looked at the top tier of audio only podcast, the that's of the world, the laundries, the, you know, whatever and went. Yeah, that's what we're going to do.
We're going to have like multiple interviews, hours and hours of interviews in the middle of down to a, an hour podcast. Banged out when you emailed us the and said, this is what we're going to do. And then went like two or three days later when you're in 80, you're doing it again. Like in business, they call this mission creep.
It's where you start off with a plain agenda and on what you're going to do and at a plan and objective, and all of a sudden, you like a [01:00:00] magpie, see something shiny and go off in a different direction, or the brief expands, you know, you're supposed to. Get 10,000 followers for this company on Instagram in six months.
And all of a sudden they come back to you and go, well, you know, you're doing very well it's who would actually want a hundred grand, a hundred thousand followers. And that's what we keep doing here. And it's, it's a lesson I can't seem to apply. I've learnt it. And it's where I really just couldn't seem to apply it to what we're doing here and now, which is.
A podcast, you know, it doesn't sound like a difficult thing to do. People start these things with like their phone and their ear pods in a room and, and record themselves having a conversation. But we had such grandiose plans of what we wanted to do that it almost act acted as a blockade to us putting anything out because we had to stop.
Exactly. We had such big plans that nothing would suffice unless it was what we wanted. And, you know, Dan came to me, first of all, you know, very early on being like, you know, it doesn't have to be perfect, put anything out. And he, he, I watched him change his mind to be like, no, [01:01:00] perfect to perfect now, you know?
And that's my fault, you know, I, I take the hit for that. And thankfully, we've come to a point now where we're just like, look, we're going to put out what we put out. We're going to, you know, the original intent of this was to basically platform Knoll and. You know, to speak openly about the idea of therapy between a client and a therapist, and to meet guests because, you know, I have to scratch my own itch here.
And I'm, I'm a curious person to a fault, and I really want to uncover different truths about the mind and the body and, you know, the psychosocial stimuli that, that go into causing biological change in someone that will, you know, Changed our hormones and the chemistry of their body and brain to give them depression or anxiety.
And I want, you know, I want them to, Y you know, I want to examine these things and I don't have all the answers and no, you know [01:02:00] as intelligent as you are, you don't have all the answers either. So what together, you know, through the prism of our, through the context of therapist and his client and our you know gaming producer, we can hopefully learn some stuff.
And if people want to comment on, on, this is a very American term, but I want to come along on the journey with us then. Great. But if all you learned some stuff and know lots of star stuff, and Dan learned some stuff, Dan, this to me is worthwhile like our, our, our, I reduced down our only goal to almost a direction and the direction is get part, a goal is do 52 episodes this year.
That's all I'm concerned about and everything else would fall off the back of that. You know, I hope and you can all tell me, okay.
Noel: [01:02:50] That like what you've just said there is, I think the ability of the group is definitely there to reach those Heights, but it's, it's like, yeah, but where's the crack. If we just go straight to that.
[01:03:00] 3d hard to just go straight to that, but where's the crack and where's the phone, where's the enjoyment, where's the learning and all of that. And that's where it's the journey. And that's what it is. It's great that it's come to this kind of point into realization or full realization of I get us. I was like, Oh no, again.
I was like, Oh no, I really get it. Let's get stuff. Recorded. Let's get, let's just get it sit down and let's just make all those mistakes to get to that stage. And there's going to be lots of stuff coming up ahead. There's going to be so many ups and downs and there's me freeze and straightaway. Just, I'm not sure if that was recorded, which just so y'all know completely froze camera on by gone.
And it that's, that's all part of it. So. Everyone. As, as, as Chris said, everyone joined in the journey subscribe to our podcasts, subscribe to our YouTube channel, follow us on Instagram, all those social media things on the interweb. And that's cause that's what we want is to be a part of this. Cause like it's about making it normal was where normal people join in.
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